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Old Aug 26th 2017, 02:49 AM   #1
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Question Atomic Model HELP!

Hi everyone,

Is there anyone here that could help me with an atomic question?

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Old Aug 26th 2017, 07:43 PM   #2
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maybe ....what's the question???
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Old Aug 27th 2017, 04:33 AM   #3
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Thanks for coming back to me... it's to do with the electron configuration I'm worried I've made a mistake:

The electron configuration of atoms is a pretty important sequence of numbers:

1s2 2s2 2p6 3s2 3p6 4s2 3d10 4p6 5s2 4d10 (Hydrogen to Palladium)

Essentially:

2, 2, 6, 2, 6, 2, 10, 6, 1, 10

If you isolate the up electron spin:

1s1 2s1 2p3 3s1 3p3 4s1 3d5 4p3 5s1 4d5

or:

1 1 3 1 3 1 5 3 1 5 ...

The prime number sequence is an equally important sequence of numbers:

3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53...

If you isolate the number gaps between the primes i.e. between prime 3 and prime 5 is the number 4 i.e. a gap of 1 number:

Number gaps in the prime sequence:

1 1 3 1 3 1 3 5 1 5

Electrons configuration spin up:

1 1 3 1 3 1 5 3 1 5

There seems to be a correlation between these sequences other than:

1 1 3 1 3 1 3 5 1 5 (Primes Gaps)

1s1 2s1 2p3 3s1 3p3 4s1 3d5 4p3 5s1 4d5 (Electron Configuration from Hydrogen to Cadmium)

Am I missing something here? The prime number sequence and the electron configuration arguably the two most important sequences in the universe and they seem to match?

Is that merely a coincidence or significant?

Thanks for any feedback!

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Old Aug 27th 2017, 09:14 PM   #4
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That's an interesting find , Dan .... I really don't know what to say ..

I can't imagine you were the first in history to see this, but searching I can't find any documents covering it ....

It does seem quite a long matching run for it to be coincidence , but then again they are low numbers , and you did have to specify half the number of electrons in each subshell to get this link ....
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Old Aug 28th 2017, 01:07 AM   #5
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Hi Oz93666,

Thanks for coming back to me... yes it is either a crazy coincidence or something more interesting. The number sequence continues beyond these low numbers right up to the largest atom...

Your right re the spin aspect - I have an explanation as to why that is significant as well but before I delve in too deeply here is what an atom "might" look like based on these prime number "shells" The prime numbers are the magnetic field lines generated by the spin of the electron... prime numbers because they can't collapse into smaller numbers.

Spin up:

Both Spins / sides:

As you can see in this model the electrons go through the centre of the atom... I have built a 3D model of Argon if you would like to see it?

Thanks for coming back to me...

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Old Aug 28th 2017, 01:20 AM   #6
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I've added a 3D model of Argon....

The blue circles are the electron orbits
The red circles are the prime number magnetic field lines
The green circles are the rotational orbits



I would love your feedback... and I'm happy to show you why the "spin" is significant...

Thanks!

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Old Aug 28th 2017, 08:53 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by DanKing View Post
.. The number sequence continues beyond these low numbers right up to the largest atom...
Well not to the largest atom ... it seems to be fine only up to Barium 56 , but that's not too bad ... you seem to be fiddling the numbers a bit in your animation ,4f appears twice as 5 when I think it should be 7 .

So what have we got?? .. a run of 12 numbers ,with just one wobble in the middle

1....1....3....1....3....1....3.....5....1....5....3....1

I do believe this could be significant , and would be interested if you want to post further on the subject ...

This could be seen as physics ...
There are some sharp minds on this forum ... thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/index.php , and they are into investigating non conventional ideas and may have some thoughts on your insights (I'm a member) ...good luck ...oz
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Old Aug 29th 2017, 01:23 AM   #8
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Hi Oz,

Thanks for coming back...

You are right I am fiddling 4f from 14 to 10... BUT my logic here is that if we assume:

1. The prime sequence is pretty important
2. It's an unusual sequence i.e. any matching is pretty weird
3. That these f orbitals are so large and so far from the atom and very similar in shape to a d and s
4. That the periodic table itself is "fudged" at that stage with the series of 14 elements included at the bottom from Ce 58 - 71 and then again at 90 to 103...

It's not a bad fudge the most important elements being the early ones...

The sequence is also longer in that it's mirrored at 0 hence the negative prime numbers are included:

5 1 5 3 1 3 1 3 1 1 0 1 1 3 1 3 1 3 5 1 5

Would you suggest I move this post over to the thunderbolts?

Thanks

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I'll join Thunderbolts...
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Old Aug 29th 2017, 07:29 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by DanKing View Post

Would you suggest I move this post over to the thunderbolts?

Thanks

Dan

I'll join Thunderbolts...
I think you should get more response over there , or even on the physics forum linked to this site...keep it simple...
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Old Sep 1st 2017, 09:15 AM   #10
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Okay so I think I have nailed the 4p3 and 3d5 problem...

The wobble as you described it... i.e. they're the wrong way around in the sequence... or are they.

4p6 is made up of 3 orbitals across 3 axis x, y, z - 2 electrons per axis

3d10 is made up of 5 orbitals across 10 axis... 1 electron per axis

so 3d10 occupies the other orbitals around it and the electron can move across the axis...

so it occupies...

s, px, py, pz = 4

xy, xz, yz = 6

s = 1

it overlays the other orbitals and unlike p travels through the nucleus... like 8 where as p 0

... thoughts?
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Old Sep 1st 2017, 09:16 AM   #11
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4p3 and 3d5 solution

Originally Posted by oz93666 View Post
I think you should get more response over there , or even on the physics forum linked to this site...keep it simple...
Okay so I think I have nailed the 4p3 and 3d5 problem...

The wobble as you described it... i.e. they're the wrong way around in the sequence... or are they.

4p6 is made up of 3 orbitals across 3 axis x, y, z - 2 electrons per axis

3d10 is made up of 5 orbitals across 10 axis... 1 electron per axis

so 3d10 occupies the other orbitals around it and the electron can move across the axis...

so it occupies...

s, px, py, pz = 4

xy, xz, yz = 6

s = 1

it overlays the other orbitals and unlike p travels through the nucleus... like 8 where as p 0

... thoughts?
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